A little Vinnie story

[ntbCreative]

In regards to the "WHITE DRUMMER" comment.....I have one name to mention
J.R.Robinson....lol Now you can take yer foot outa yer mouth!!!.......lol

[Pedro G]

I don't think that playing behind or ahead the beat it's such a BIG deal..... it's difficult, I mean, very difficult, and need a lot of work, but a lot of drummers (every color [img]wink.gif[/img] ) do it every day.

I posted this story because it inspired me to try to achieve that type of control and perfection on this concepts.

Every one that has tried this things must know that they're a lifetime goal, so we need some kind of fuel every now and then to keep the motivation going.

For those interested in this ideas, the book of Fred Dinkins "It's About Time" it's an excellent source of material [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

[Lee Collins]

Does anyone have any audio clips where a click is heard and the drummer is also heard intentionally playing behind the beat and also ahead of the beat? I have my own idea how it's done but I'd love to hear someone doing it to see just how far they might actually play behind and ahead and with what consistency.

[Lee Collins]

Originally posted by Pedro G:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Rudy_Ment:
and I'm far from having mastered nailing it 100% everytime!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Welcome to the club!! [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heh [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Pedro G]

Rudy, the Fred D. book that I just mentioned has some full band-minus drumms demos to play along. with on top, center and behind the beat feels. Those will give you an idea. [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]

[Lee Collins]

Nice one pedro. I found it here:
http://www.tigerbill.com/drumshop/dr...s2.htm#dinkins

So I'll buy it. As well as minus drums, does it have a drummer demoing the different feels too?

[Pedro G]

Rudy, I don't have the book with me right now, but as far as I remember it has a song with the different feels indicated, and he invited a few drummers to play it (Chambers, Lawson, Mason etc. ) so you could hear his versions and compare.
It also have a long list of songs with each feel.

I hope Dinkins give me a little % ....for the commercial [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Lee Collins]

That sounds excellent then pedro. I've always tried to just nail the click rather than try and play behind or ahead of it. I mean I always thought playing behind or ahead was only after you've mastered nailing/burying it, and I'm far from having mastered nailing it 100% everytime!

[Pedro G]

Originally posted by Rudy_Ment:
and I'm far from having mastered nailing it 100% everytime!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Welcome to the club!! [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

[Julius24]

Sometime ago i was told that -when i was learning how to play behind the beat- it was a good idea to play a flam on the backbeat between the hihat and the snare... (sort of the hihat over the click, and the snare behind)... still didn?t figure if that?s a good idea...
My question is... when you play behind the beat, where do you place the hihat?